21:35 -!- Talad [~myself@planeshift/director/Talad] has joined #psde

21:35  Talad : Hi

21:35  Talad : Sajut you there?

21:35 @Sajut : hi talad

21:35  Talad : http://updater.sajut.de/update/updaterinfo.xml

21:36  Talad : that's not how it should be.

21:36  Kelan : Hallo Talad

21:36  Talad : that file should have only the new mirror

21:37  Talad : also the other mirrors are not authorized, and so they cannot distribute PS files

21:38 @Sajut : im not an "official" mirror, so whats wrong if i change the xmls like i want. e.g. for testing?

21:39  Talad : you cannot distribute ANY of the ps files

21:39  Talad : that's pretty clear in the license

21:39  Talad : so I ask you to delete now all files on that server

21:39  thob : hoi hoi Talad

21:40  thob : hihi

21:40  Sulaika_ : hi Talad

21:40  thob : pöser pöser Sajut

21:40  Talad : who are the maintainers of the other mirrors listed there?

21:40  thone : lol

21:41 @Sajut : so i'm not allowed to test the behaviour of the pslaunch?

21:41  Talad : you are not.

21:41  Talad : with ps official files

21:41  Talad : you can test it with SVN data

21:41  Talad : we got few reports of people updating and updater reverting to 0.5.8 or 0.5.7

21:42  Talad : and it's definitely related to additional outdated mirrors

21:42 @Sajut : my "mirror" is up to date

21:42  thob : Talad: you are not allowed to distribute updater data .. but you are allowed to distribute the installer? -> in the ende these are the same files right?

21:42  Talad : thob: you are not allowed to distribute anything, installer included.

21:43  Talad : you can distribute only with a grant from Atomic Blue

21:43  thob : oh Sajut .. schnell nimm den installer von der seite

21:43  thob : is sajut allowed to distribute?

21:44  thob : btw Talad .. I am still waiting for the answer if you want to join us in diebach

21:44  Talad : he is allowed to distribute the exe files, as he is a mirror of the installers

21:44  Talad : but as I mentioned few weeks ago, the updater is now consolidated on one machine only

21:45  thone : wtf, i was loading,

21:46  thob : so maybe you should not piss him off as you need his support right? If you piss of sajut he could stop mirroring the installer .. together with frubar and psde

21:46  thob : and then you just got redlem

21:46  Talad : thob: what?

21:46  Talad : I really don't follow your reasoning

21:48  thob : there are 4 severs that distribute the installer.. 2 of them more or less under sajuts control. so if you threaten sajut he might stop mirroring..

21:48  thob : then you have 2 servers left..

21:48  thob : clear so far?

21:48  thone : thx a lot, now sajuts links to download ps lead to nothing

21:48  Sulaika_ : what is the problem with distributing the ps files?

21:48  Talad : thob: no, not clear at all

21:48  Talad : the distribution of exe and updater are separate

21:49  thob : ich danke dir Sajut

21:49 @Sajut : thone, maybe it'll come back . im working curently on the lighttpd conf

21:49  Talad : as I already anticipated some weeks ago the updater is now just one, so we want all files just on one server

21:49  thob : leute .. war meine argumentation so unverständlich?

21:49  Sulaika_ : But why so unfriendly to Sajut, Talad? I mean he did provide a long time an updateserver for you....he could have said no to you, when you were in trouble and people never had a problem with waiting for an update, since it is planeshift.

21:50  thob : haha

21:50  Talad : Sulaika_: unfriendly?

21:50  thob : you are Talad

21:50  Talad : can be my english

21:50  Talad : I'm not unfriendly at all

21:50  Talad : I'm saying that the mirror should be one

21:51  Talad : and those files deleted

21:51 @Sajut : people need to change the local updaterinfo.xml to use my server. so per default no one would use my server anymore

21:51  Talad : or we have issues with the updater

21:51  Talad : someone may still have your updater in their files

21:51  Sulaika_ : aha i see

21:51  Talad : if they download old versions

21:51  thone : it would take 2 and 4 hour to load it from the other two servers

21:51  RlyDontKnow : sure we have issues with the updater - it doesn't properly drop mirrors despite them not being there upstream, anymore

21:51 @Sajut : so it seems there are some bugs in the updater

21:52  thone : and no resume on download possible :(

21:52  RlyDontKnow : which was something I wanted to work on long ago, but then I worked on other stuff and as the issue was temporarily solved, nobody cared, anyway :x

21:52  Talad : there are bugs in any software

21:52 @Sajut : thone. it takes 1 ore 2 minutes to keep my server up to date :D

21:52 @Sajut : *or

21:53  RlyDontKnow : well, this is one pretty well-known by now

21:53  RlyDontKnow : changing mirrors on the fly doesn't work well with pslaunch :P

21:53  thob : Talad: so you want sajut to shut down his update server or to point to yours?

21:53  thone : with resume?

21:53  RlyDontKnow : or well, doesn't really work at all without user interaction

21:54  Talad : thob: I changed the file to point to ours some time ago

21:54  Talad : and mentioned that the file should stay like that

21:54  Talad : should have only one mirror, pointing to the new one

21:54  Talad : and all the updater files should be deleted from there, so people don't get outdated files

21:55  thob : I think we all understood by now what you want -> one update server

21:55 @Sajut : there are no outdated files on my server!

21:56 @Sajut : i updated my client today with the files form my server and it worked

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21:57  Talad : Sajut: the point is not if your server is updated

21:57  RlyDontKnow : hm... wie w?rs denn mit planeshift.bit reggen und update.planeshift.bit auf den jeweils aktuellen update-server zeigen lassen?

21:57  Talad : the point is that your server should not contain the files

21:57  RlyDontKnow : kosten doch fast nix die dinger xD

21:57  Talad : same for the other two updater listed

21:57  Talad : they cannot redistribute our files

21:57  Talad : and it's already enough work to manage one server.

21:58  thob : there is no additional work required .. he just always pulls the new files

21:58 @Sajut : its easy to manage other mirrors, only one script and a cronjob :P

21:58  Talad : thob: no additional work required is not something you can evaluate

21:59  thob : haha .. thats right

21:59  Talad : Sajut: I ask you officially to remove the files

21:59 @Sajut : Talad: try http://updater.sajut.de/update/

22:00  thob : but just need additional work if your system is broken *works hard to get ignored again*

22:00  thob : joa *become right?

22:00  thone : Sajut: 404?

22:01 @Sajut : should be a redirect.

22:01  Talad : Sajut: I'm waiting an answer

22:02  Talad : if you don't have time now, let me know when you will delete the files

22:02  Talad : so we can do another test

22:02 @Sajut : do you see any files on my server?

22:02  thob : Talad: try the link

22:05  Talad : ok, so you deleted those files?

22:05  thob : Talad: it is just a wget -R to get those files

22:06  Talad : thob: yes, + hours of time and our bandwidth

22:06 @Sajut : im not allowed to distribute the files. but im allowed to download those files. right? so why should i delete them?

22:06  Talad : oh crap

22:06  thob : sure Talad .. and everyone could do it

22:06  Talad : you can download for personal use only

22:06  Talad : you cannot redistribute those in any way or form

22:06  thob : then eveything is fine

22:07  Talad : ok

22:07  Talad : who is owning this? http://updater.tmebi.de/

22:07  thob : I dont know

22:07  thob : but who cares? nobody points to this right?

22:08 @Sajut : i think he/she is not here

22:08  Talad : that should be safer yes, as none points to it

22:08  Talad : never been in any previous installation

22:08  Talad : in any case I want to know how is distributing our files

22:09  Talad : and tell him he cannot without a special grant

22:09  Jilata : gute Nacht

22:09 @Sajut : nacht Jilata

22:09  thob : gute nacht Jilata

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22:09  thone : Sajut: still 404 on linux 32bit install file

22:11  borsten : n8 zusammen

22:11  thob : Talad: I dont konw tmebi

22:11  thob : sorry

22:11  Talad : ok, I will go through his ISP then

22:11  thob : haha - do it

22:11  Talad : it's a german server, so probably LigH knows him

22:12  thob : I dont think so

22:12 @Sajut : i guess ligh wont

22:12  Talad : thob: they can remove his contract if he is distributing illegal material

22:12  thob : sure

22:12  thob : but first you need to prove that this is illegal

22:13  Talad : anyway if he was in sajut file, means that Sajut knows him

22:13  Talad : and you are trying to fool me

22:13  thob : thats how it works in germany

22:13  thone : would be a nice move to go through isp - so full of love

22:13  Talad : which is the best way to be banned from planeshift overall

22:13  Talad : Sajut: where did you get that address?

22:13 @Sajut : i told you i dont know if he is online right know ;)

22:14  Talad : I asked if you know him

22:14 @Sajut : i can tell him to delete/remove those files

22:14  Talad : ok, please do that

22:15  Talad : and for ps.de I think it's LigH

22:15 @Sajut : ligh is only a moderator in psde

22:15  Talad : who is the owner/responsible?

22:16  thob : there is something called 'impressums pflicht' in germany

22:16  thob : so search for it on that site

22:16 @Sajut : phew.. he is gone longe time ago.

22:16  Talad : if LigH is a moderator he can probably also add/delete files

22:16 @Sajut : maybe the owner of tmebi knows him

22:17 @Sajut : hes only moderator in the forum

22:17  Talad : anyway that's lower priority as should not interfere with the clients

22:17  thob : Talad: moderator of the forum and shell access are different things

22:18  Talad : thob: I will keep that in mind

22:19  thob : what?

22:19  Talad : the very important distinction you just explained to me.

22:19  thob : great - glad I could help you

22:20  Talad : we will redo the tests

22:20  * thob lacht in seine schon fast leere flasche met rein

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22:20  thob : by 'we' - you mean you?

22:20  Talad : goodbye

22:20  thob : o/ Talad .. have fun

22:21 @Sajut : o/

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